2012 Game Informer
宝可梦世界的未解之谜
增田顺一 × 海野隆雄
精灵球里是什么样？人类能吃神奇糖果吗？《宝可梦 黑2·白2》总监与制作人回答那些你一直好奇的问题。
Contents 本篇 16 章
- 精灵球里面究竟发生了什么？里面有家吗？有食物吗？人类能进精灵球吗？
- 有传言说，在最初的《宝可梦 红·蓝》中，百变怪是克隆梦幻的失败产物。我想知道您能否谈谈这个...
- 这就是您唯一的回答吗？
- 宝可梦世界里的所有人都是素食者吗？人们吃宝可梦吗？他们吃牛排的时候，吃的是肯泰罗吗？
- 你提到神奇糖果很有意思，因为我下一个问题就是：人类能吃神奇糖果吗？吃了会怎样？
- 如果道馆馆主把徽章发完了会怎样？他们会被解雇吗？
- 我们知道各个不同游戏里地区的名字。我们知道这些地区的地理大致对应日本和美国。我们的问题是：...
- 继续阅读，了解电视动画究竟如何与电子游戏相契合，以及生活在世界另一边的训练家会怎样。
- 那么，宝可梦世界里并不存在战争，没有宝可梦大军为各自领袖的理想而战吗？
- 说到电影，以及由此延伸出的电视动画，动画、电影和游戏之间是重叠的吗？它们同属一个宝可梦世界...
- 宝可梦世界里存在做工的宝可梦吗？会有一大群皮卡丘为一座城市供电吗？
- 就像我们世界里的人类是一种动物那样，宝可梦世界里的人类也是一种宝可梦吗？
- 宝可梦中心是怎么运作的？它们是在缠绷带、用传统医疗手段，还是更像给电池充电？
- 那些在远离玩家家乡的城镇开始冒险的训练家，不会因为当地高等级的宝可梦和训练家而难以起步吗？
- 在初代《任天堂明星大乱斗》里，有一个精灵球放出的是角金鱼，它只会在地上扑腾，什么也不做。那...
- 想了解更多增田与海野关于宝可梦的访谈内容，请查看我们最初的采访。
What’s really going in inside of a Pokéball? Can humans eat Rare Candy? Is everyone in the world of Pokémon a vegetarian? We asked Pokémon Black and White 2’s director and producer all the questions you’ve always wanted the answers to.
精灵球里面到底是什么样子？人类能吃神奇糖果吗？宝可梦世界里的所有人都是素食者吗？我们向《宝可梦 黑2·白2》的总监和制作人提出了那些你一直想知道答案的问题。
Takao Unno has been with Gamefreak for a decade. Typically, he serves as art director, but for Black and White 2, he is the overall director. Junichi Masuda (pictured below) has been with Gamefreak since the company’s inception, and he is the producer on Black and White 2.
海野隆雄已在Game Freak工作十年。他通常担任艺术总监，但在《黑／白 2》中，他是总导演。增田顺一（见下图）自公司创立起就在Game Freak工作，他是《黑／白 2》的制作人。
Game Informer
What exactly happens inside of a Pokéball? Is there a home in there? Is there food in there? And can humans go in a Pokéball?
精灵球里面究竟发生了什么？里面有家吗？有食物吗？人类能进精灵球吗？
增田顺一
It sure would be interesting if Pokéballs existed in real life, and we haven’t imagined that. But, in terms of what’s inside of the Pokéball, it’s a space that’s incredibly comfortable for Pokémon. So comfortable, that they want to enter the Pokéball without any sort of outside encouragement. What’s actually in there is something we would like for people to sort of imagine on their own. In terms of whether humans can enter the Pokéball or not, it’s called a Pokéball, so probably not. I think it’s just for Pokémon.
如果精灵球在现实中存在，那一定很有趣，我们并没有设想过这一点。但就精灵球内部而言，那是一个对宝可梦来说极其舒适的空间。舒适到它们不需要任何外界鼓励就想进去。里面实际有什么，我们希望人们自己去想象。至于人类能否进入精灵球，它叫精灵球，所以大概不能。我认为它只是给宝可梦用的。
Game Informer
There is a rumor that in the original Pokémon games, versions Red and Blue, that the Pokémon Ditto was a failed attempt at cloning a Mew. I was wondering if you could speak to this, to whether or not it’s true.
有传言说，在最初的《宝可梦 红·蓝》中，百变怪是克隆梦幻的失败产物。我想知道您能否谈谈这个，它是不是真的。
增田顺一
That’s the first time I have ever hear that rumor actually.
这其实是我第一次听到这个传言。
Game Informer
Is that your only answer?
这就是您唯一的回答吗？
增田顺一
In terms of how Pokémon are designed, they are each their own unique living being. The unique thing about Ditto is that it’s a Pokémon that can change forms, but each Pokémon we create with its own unique element, so we just make sure that they are all individual life forms of their own.
就宝可梦的设计而言，它们每一个都是独特的生命体。百变怪的独特之处在于它能改变形态，但我们创造的每一只宝可梦都有自己独特的要素，所以我们只是确保它们都是各自独立的生命形态。
Game Informer
Is everyone in the world of Pokémon a vegetarian? Do people eat Pokémon? When they are eating steak are they eating a Tauros?
宝可梦世界里的所有人都是素食者吗？人们吃宝可梦吗？他们吃牛排的时候，吃的是肯泰罗吗？
增田顺一
There’s a lot of fruits and vegetables in the world of Pokémon. There is also a variety of snacks and various candies and whatnot that come from the different regions. The Pokémon world is much more technologically advanced than the world of our own, so perhaps there is probably a lot of different food that we can’t even think of.
宝可梦世界里有很多水果和蔬菜。也有来自不同地区的各种零食、糖果之类的东西。宝可梦世界在技术上比我们自己的世界先进得多，所以也许有很多我们甚至想不到的食物。
增田顺一
One example of that is there is even a Rare candy which is an actual snack or piece of candy that can make you stronger, raise your level. There are all kinds of strange food that really doesn’t exist in our universe.
其中一个例子就是，甚至有一种叫“神奇糖果”的东西，它实际上是一种零食或糖果，能让你变强、提升等级。还有各种各样在我们这个宇宙里根本不存在的奇怪食物。
Game Informer
It’s funny you bring up Rare Candy, because my next question is, can humans eat Rare Candy, and what happens if they do?
你提到神奇糖果很有意思，因为我下一个问题就是：人类能吃神奇糖果吗？吃了会怎样？
增田顺一
You probably could eat a rare candy as a human, but it might not taste very good. It might be kind of like, an example of our world, a human eating dog food. It’s edible, but it probably doesn’t taste very good. You might hurt your stomach by doing so.
人类大概是可以吃神奇糖果的，但味道可能不太好。打个比方，就像我们这个世界里人吃狗粮一样。能吃，但大概不好吃，而且吃了可能会肚子疼。
Game Informer
What happens when a gym leader runs out of badges to give away? Are they fired?
如果道馆馆主把徽章发完了会怎样？他们会被解雇吗？
海野隆雄
The gym leaders, they’re primarily there because they have a strong desire to help trainers grow and really identify the good trainers. They only give badges to trainers who they have recognized as being strong of heart and a strong battler as well. So, they definitely don’t quit when they run out of badges if they were to run out of badges. The only time they would quit or stop being a gym leader is when perhaps their ideals change or they want to do something else in life.
道馆馆主之所以在那里，主要是因为他们有强烈的意愿去帮助训练家成长，并真正识别出优秀的训练家。他们只会把徽章发给那些他们认可其内心坚强、同时也是强大对战者的训练家。所以，就算徽章发完了，他们也绝对不会辞职。他们唯一会辞去或不再担任道馆馆主的时候，大概是他们的理念变了，或者想去做人生中别的事情。
海野隆雄
And if a gym leader were able to actually give out so many badges to so many great trainers that they ran out of them, they would probably be overjoyed by that fact, that there were so many great trainers that came to challenge them.
而如果一位道馆馆主真的能把徽章发给那么多优秀的训练家，以至于徽章发完了，他们大概会为此感到非常高兴，因为有这么多优秀的训练家前来挑战他们。
Game Informer
We know the names of the regions in all the different games. We know the geography of the regions kind of mirror Japan and the United States. Our question is, does Pokémon take place on an alternate Earth, or is it in the future, or in the past, or is it an alternate present?
我们知道各个不同游戏里地区的名字。我们知道这些地区的地理大致对应日本和美国。我们的问题是：宝可梦的故事发生在一个平行地球，还是在未来，或是在过去，又或者是一个平行的现在？
增田顺一
We actually don’t think of the world of Pokémon as Earth. If we were to do that, we would kind of be limited by what we could do. By thinking about how physical objects work on Earth and how various elements work on Earth, we would kind of be limited to that if we though of it as Earth. We think of it as a place that is really similar to Earth, but is a different planet of its own with people in it who may be similar to people on Earth, but they have different values so they care about different things.
我们其实并不把宝可梦的世界当作地球来看待。如果那样做，我们能做的事情就会受到限制。如果把它想成地球，我们就会受限于地球上物理对象如何运作、各种元素如何运作。我们把它想成一个和地球非常相似的地方，但它是一颗属于自己的不同星球，上面的人可能和地球上的人相似，但他们的价值观不同，所以他们在意的东西也不同。
增田顺一
It’s the type of place, the Pokémon world, where problems we face on Earth just wouldn’t happen. There wouldn’t be global warming, water shortages, or anything like that. It’s a world where the people in it really want to work together with each other. Their value system is such where they would prefer to work together and eliminate these problems rather than feud.
宝可梦世界就是这样一个地方：我们在地球上面临的问题在那里根本不会发生。不会有全球变暖、水资源短缺之类的事情。那是一个人们真心想要彼此合作的世界。他们的价值体系让他们更愿意携手合作、消除这些问题，而不是争斗。
Game Informer
Read on to find out how the TV show really fits with the video games, and what happens to trainers who live on the wrong side of the world.
继续阅读，了解电视动画究竟如何与电子游戏相契合，以及生活在世界另一边的训练家会怎样。
Game Informer
So, there isn’t war in the world of Pokémon where armies of Pokémon are fighting for the ideals of their leaders?
那么，宝可梦世界里并不存在战争，没有宝可梦大军为各自领袖的理想而战吗？
增田顺一
Long ago, there may have been wars. Actually, if you look at one of the movies featuring the character Lucario, there are maybe some hints about the past of the Pokémon world.
很久以前，可能发生过战争。其实，如果你看那部有路卡利欧出场的电影，里面或许有一些关于宝可梦世界过去的暗示。
Game Informer
Speaking of the movies and consequently the TV show, do the cartoons and the movies and the video games overlap? Is that all one Pokémon world, or are they two separate universes?
说到电影，以及由此延伸出的电视动画，动画、电影和游戏之间是重叠的吗？它们同属一个宝可梦世界，还是两个彼此独立的宇宙？
增田顺一
basically it’s the same place. Looking at it as a parallel world, or in some select spots being a parallel world might be more accurate.
基本上算是同一个地方。把它看作平行世界，或者某些特定部分是平行世界，可能更准确一些。
Game Informer
Are there worker Pokémon in the world of Pokémon? Are there swaths of Pikachus powering a city?
宝可梦世界里存在做工的宝可梦吗？会有一大群皮卡丘为一座城市供电吗？
增田顺一
Pokémon as creatures, are much closer to – they’re not like how our pets are on Earth – they’re much closer to humans than they are to like a cat or a dog pet that we would keep on Earth. Because there is such a closer relationship between humans and Pokémon, most people in the Pokémon world probably wouldn’t want to use Pokémon in such a manner as making them work to do something. But, there are some people with bad ideals, or bad people in the Pokémon world who might try to do something like that.
宝可梦作为生物，更接近于——它们不像我们地球上的宠物——它们更接近于人类，而不是我们在地球上养的那种猫或狗之类的宠物。因为人类与宝可梦之间的关系如此亲近，宝可梦世界的大多数人大概不会想让宝可梦去做工来达成什么目的。不过，宝可梦世界里也有一些想法不良的人，或者坏人，可能会试图做那种事。
Game Informer
In the same way humans in our world are a type of animal, are humans in the Pokémon world a form of Pokémon?
就像我们世界里的人类是一种动物那样，宝可梦世界里的人类也是一种宝可梦吗？
增田顺一
Humans are definitely separate from Pokémon. The way you think about it is different than how we think about animals in relation to humans on Earth. For example, on Earth we have mammals and reptiles all these different categories. In the world of Pokémon, they are all Pokémon. We don’t really categorize them in exactly that way. It’s kind of a different way of looking at it. So yeah, humans are definitely separate from Pokémon. For example, humans can’t learn four different moves like a Pokémon can.
人类与宝可梦绝对是分开的。你对这件事的理解方式，和我们对地球上动物与人类关系的理解方式不同。比如，地球上我们有哺乳类、爬行类这些不同的分类。而在宝可梦世界里，它们全都是宝可梦。我们并不真的按那种方式给它们分类。这算是一种不同的看待方式。所以是的，人类与宝可梦绝对是分开的。比如，人类不能像宝可梦那样学会四种不同的招式。
Game Informer
How do Pokémon Centers work? Are they applying bandages and traditional medicine, or is it more like recharging a battery?
宝可梦中心是怎么运作的？它们是在缠绷带、用传统医疗手段，还是更像给电池充电？
增田顺一
The kind of expression of how the recovery aspect works is a little bit different in the games and the animated series. In the games you go to the Pokémon centers and your Pokémon are instantly recovered, instantly healed. In terms of the games at least, there is some kind of amazing device, amazing machine that instantly recovers Pokémon, and I wish I could use that machine myself right now.
关于恢复机制如何运作，这种表现方式在游戏和动画里有些不同。在游戏里，你去宝可梦中心，你的宝可梦会立刻恢复，立刻被治好。至少就游戏而言，存在某种神奇的装置、神奇的机器，能立刻让宝可梦恢复，我真希望自己现在就能用上那台机器。
海野隆雄
There are more traditional styles of recovery, like the potions and whatnot, various recovery items that exist in the game as well. There are definitely a variety of recovery methods in the Pokémon world.
也有一些更传统的回复方式，比如药水之类的，游戏里还存在各种回复道具。宝可梦世界里确实有各种各样的回复手段。
Game Informer
Don’t trainers who start their adventure in a town far away from the player’s home time have a difficult time starting because of the high level Pokémon and trainers in the area?
那些在远离玩家家乡的城镇开始冒险的训练家，不会因为当地高等级的宝可梦和训练家而难以起步吗？
增田顺一
If it were me, I would think about moving somewhere else, definitely.
如果是我的话，肯定会考虑搬到别的地方去。
Game Informer
In the original Super Smash Bros., one of the Pokéballs releases a Goldeen that flops around and does nothing. Was that a mistake? Shouldn’t it have been a Magikarp?
在初代《任天堂明星大乱斗》里，有一个精灵球放出的是角金鱼，它只会在地上扑腾，什么也不做。那是个失误吗？放出来的难道不应该是鲤鱼王吗？
增田顺一
The director of the original Smash Bros. game, Sakurai-san, when first developing that game he came in and talked to us about which Pokémon to include. Thinking of it that way, we don’t think there was any mistake about which Pokémon were included. As to why it behaved in that way, you’d have to ask Sakura-son.
初代《任天堂明星大乱斗》的导演樱井先生，在最初开发那款游戏时来找过我们，商量要加入哪些宝可梦。从这个角度想，我们认为加入哪些宝可梦并不存在什么失误。至于它为什么会有那样的行为，你得去问樱井先生。
Game Informer
For more on Pokémon with Masuda and Unno, check out our original interview.
想了解更多增田与海野关于宝可梦的访谈内容，请查看我们最初的采访。